I'm a HUGE podcast fan (as you may know if you read these pages frequently). And having listened to many hundreds of interviews, I would describe this one between Joe and Sebastian as 'important'. I say that for a number of reasons, but chiefly because Sebastian highlights just how dangerous comfort in our digital age is becomming. Sebastian is the author of The Perfect Storm, War, and Tribe. He also is the co-director of the Oscar-nominated documentary "Restrepo." His latest documentary "Hell On Earth". My advise - get comfortable with uncomfortable - challenge yourself - practice poverty and do it now.